Another Round hosts Heben Nigatu and Tracy Clayton talk podcast popularity, preparation, and why they (still) want to interview Trump

Tracy Clayton and Heben Nigatu (Photo: Buzzfeed)

Since bursting onto the scene in 2015 as one of Buzzfeed‘s first forays into podcasting, Another Round has been an immensely popular and justly celebrated show. Hosted by writers turned real-life friends Heben Nigatu and Tracy Clayton, the program abounds with their infectious hilarity and grounded insight, managing to balance important conversations about race, gender, and mental health, with pop culture, dad jokes, and plenty of bourbon.

The pair have welcomed a veritable smorgasbord of high-profile guests onto the show, from Lin-Manuel Miranda to Queen Latifah, as well as introducing to a wider audience writers like Bim Adewunmi and Durga Chew-Bose. Of all their guests though, perhaps none stands out more than when then-candidate Hillary Clinton sought out the chance to appear on Another Round, giving her most honest and humanizing interview of the entire campaign. Equally notable was the manner in which Nigatu and Clayton pressed the Secretary, showing more interviewing mettle than basically any other journalist on the campaign trail. This was most evident when the pair pointedly asked her whether she and her husband had fucked things up for black people in America. It was a galvanic moment for the show.

We at Constant Listener were lucky enough to get a chance to catch up with the undisputed queens of podcasting ahead of their live show in live Chicago show—produced in partnership with WBEZ for its Podcast Passport Series—for a wide ranging chat about everything from misconceptions about their process, to the role that podcasts play in marginalized communities, and there’s even a sprinkling of Tom Hanks in there for good measure. It was an absolute delight, and we hope that you enjoy it as much as we did.

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The boys of Hello From The Magic Tavern pick their favorite episodes

Matt Young, Arnie Niekamp, and Adal Rifai (Photo: Danielle Scruggs)

There are relatively few weekly podcasts that beg to be listened to in sequential order, especially after producing some 120 episodes, but Hello From The Magic Tavern is firmly in that exclusive club. Now in its third year running, Earwolf’s entirely improvised meta-contextual fantasy comedy earns a spot in that club not just for its high concept but the even more interesting central rule at the heart of it: that everything spoken on the show immediately becomes part of the its canon. In doing so, each successive episode continues to build the world of the show, often bearing fruit in surprising and hilarious ways down the line.

If you aren’t already familiar with Magic Tavern, here’s the basics: Chicago comedian and podcaster Arnie Niekamp one day falls through a transdimensional portal behind a Burger King, ending up in a Narnia-like realm of adventure called Foon. While trapped in the rift Niekamp sets up an interview show at the show’s titular tavern, The Vermillion Minotaur, chatting with all manner of magical creatures every week. Niekamp is joined each week by regular co-hosts Chunt, a pun-obsessed shapeshifter usually in the form of a badger (played by Adal Rifai) and Usidore, a shambolic and blustery old wizard (played by Matt Young).

Over the course of their run, the gang have been visited by a host of estimable guest stars including Wait Wait…Don’t Tell Me! host Peter Sagal, wrestler Colt Cabana, actress Felicia Day, authors Cory Doctorow and Patrick Rothfuss, as well as many more.

I recently had a chance to catch up with Arnie, Adal, and Matt to discuss their favorite episodes of the show and it was a blast. Whether you’re longtime listener or you’re just now thinking about getting started on the show, there is a lot to enjoy within.

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Welcome to Constant Listener

The idea for the site is a simple one—that the medium of podcasting has a need for artistic criticism in the same vein that music, film, and television already enjoy. It is by close examination that the public grows in their ability to better understand the craft. As my multi-hyphenate friend Devon Taylor has said on the subject, a good critic instructs the viewer how to better see, and it is the aim of this site to help give listeners a better vocabulary and understanding of how to listen more fully.

There are a few ways that we’ll be approaching this aim. Once or twice a week I will be writing longer pieces, analyzing trends, particularly excellent episodes of shows, interviews with creators, and much more. In addition I’ll be linking to the writing of others on the subject that I find to be exemplary, and creating discussion around that as well.

Podcasting encompasses just about every facet of our modern life, and I definitely try to listen to as broad a swath of the programs available as possible, so expect this site to be just as varied in its content.

Finally, if you have a show that you feel would be a good fit, don’t be shy. Send me an email or a Twitter DM and let me know about it!